Robert Zimmermann & Mike Wander & Eric Portugal & Sam Nelson & Gina Sandoval & Marty Kassalen 52 min

Pipeline Power Hour: Sales, Summer '23


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Hi everyone, welcome to the sales edition of our summer 23 pipeline power hour.

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I'm Robert Simmons, CRO here at Qualified, and today we've got five back-to-

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back mini-master

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classes to help sales leaders and sales reps feel more confident as they take

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on the challenges

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of our current market. It's hard right now. The world of tech sales has changed

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dramatically.

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We're facing a totally different world than we were a year ago, or even six

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months ago.

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We're seeing buying behavior totally shift. I'm excited to sit back and learn

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from some truly

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great voices in the B2B sales world, and joining us first to talk about the

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biggest changes impacting

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sales teams is Gina Sandoval with the sales trends you need to know in 2023.

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Hi, I'm Gina Sandoval. I'm a sales leader here at Allbound, and today we're

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going to talk about

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sales trends that you need to know in 2023. Now, in the past six years or so

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that I've been

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working in B2B sales, I've seen a lot of things change over the course of how

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our buyers buy,

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how sellers sell, and everything in between. One of the things that we

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obviously want to talk

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about today is some of the economic uncertainty that is happening. AI is

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definitely changing the

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game. There's lots of pros and cons to it. I know everyone feels either maybe

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one way or another

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way about it, but regardless of how you feel about it, it is definitely

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changing how our buyers buy.

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And as sellers, we really need to do our best to adapt to the changes in this

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space,

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and really think about how the demographics of our buyers are shifting, and

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really the way that

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they buy. So in terms of buying committees, I mean, when I first started, there

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are definitely times

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where we closed deals where maybe one person or maybe two people were involved

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throughout the

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entire sales process. On average now, there's about six to seven people

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involved in closing a deal,

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and even upwards of 20 in larger enterprise deals as well. Deal cycles, of

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course, in turn,

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lengthen because of this, and budgets have been even tighter, especially post-

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COVID,

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and 58% of B2B teams have seen budgets stay flat or even reduced in 2023. So

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lots of things to

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consider there. Now, when we think about what AI can do, there's definitely a

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lot of benefits,

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of course, as it can increase productivity across the board, looking at ways

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where can we automate,

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especially when it comes to marketing messaging or maybe outbound or inbound

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messaging, you can

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get very specific and actually create much more personalized outreach. And I

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think as salespeople,

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we've all seen it, there is so much noise out there. And it just got harder, I

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found,

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to send out a message that is actually going to get the attention of the reader

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in their inbox.

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People are busy. There's just, again, so many emails that we have to sort

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through. And so being

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able to personalize where you can is going to be so important and thankfully

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with AI tools,

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you can actually leverage these to your advantage and actually spend more time

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going after maybe

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some specific accounts rather than hitting everybody with the same message. But

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personalization is

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always going to be key. I've always been a big proponent of that and I've seen

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a lot of success

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wherever you can personalize your message. And then in terms of how our buyers

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have changed,

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obviously millennials and Gen Z are slowly taking over the folks that are

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actually in buying

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positions now. In fact, they make up about 64% of all B2B buyers today. And

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these younger

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generations do prefer to do their own research. I mean, I can't tell you how

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many times we've received

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them a request or gotten a call with somebody and it seems like they've really

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done their homework

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before we ever even have a conversation with them. So about 43% of your buyers

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are going to

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prefer a rep-free experience. And 90% of those younger buyers cite somewhat of

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a dissatisfaction

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with vendors versus only 71% of buyers from older generations. By 2025, more

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than a third of B2B

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purchases are actually going to be occurring through self-guided channels. So

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people just doing

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their own research, going through references from maybe people they know. Again

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, online reviews are

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huge as well. So what do we do as sellers when it feels like there's, you know,

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maybe things

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aren't looking so great for us. There's a lot outside of our control. It can

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feel very, very

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overwhelming. And I can speak from personal experience as I've seen, you know,

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definitely a lot of things

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change in the space, whether I was, you know, BDR or, you know, account

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executive or even leading

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my sales team. You really do have to think about, you know, ways that you can

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adapt. And one thing

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that I've always wanted to put a focus on regardless of where my role has been

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in a sales perspective,

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whether I'm an individual contributor or a leader, I always want to focus on

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what I can control and

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separate that from what I call an uncontrollable. So let's define those first

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and uncontrollables,

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anything that our prospects or our customers say and do. Some examples would be

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whether or not they

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decide to answer the phone when you call them or respond to your email or even

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open that email,

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whether they are logging into LinkedIn to see your message. Their timeline,

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their buying process,

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like we mentioned earlier, a lot more people are involved now. There's not a

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whole lot we can do

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about that. So, you know, I would put that under the bucket of an uncontroll

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able. Any organizational

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changes, if you've been in sales long enough, you know how frustrated it is

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when you've been

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working on a deal, you'd have great rapport with your client and then they

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leave the company or

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maybe they've been like, "Oh, or something happens to where you start to lose

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some of that traction."

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It is, you know, it's never fun, but it is something that, you know, it can

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happen.

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Other things as well, like we talked about economic restraints when COVID

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happened and everybody was

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on a, you know, purchasing freeze. And now what we're seeing where, you know,

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buyers again are

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becoming younger and the messaging that we have to send out now has to change.

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We don't have a lot of control whether or not somebody, again, layoffs,

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purchasing freezes, things like that. Again, we can't control the finances of

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our clients that

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we're speaking with. But now let's focus on what we can control. Controllable,

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I have to find it as

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anything that we say and do, anything that we can change. And regardless of

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what's happening,

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in the economic, you know, world, we are always able to be prepared. We're

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always able to

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have a really consistent follow through. I think a lot of the reason why, you

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know, people maybe

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don't have a great experience going through a salesperson to purchase something

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is maybe they're

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not getting the follow through. Maybe they don't feel like that sales rep is

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really here in their

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concerns. So being an attentive listener, you know, following through, if you

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say you're going to

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send something, you know, definitely send it and being really prepared are

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great ways to

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definitely instill that confidence into the buyer. You're delivering your work

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ethic,

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your attitude on the calls. These are all things that are 100% within your

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control. Regardless of

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what's happening, you know, the world around you, you are able to set the tone

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for each

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call that you have with your prospect. You're also able to, you know, be

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mindful of your delivery

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and your motive. I always kind of point to my team and we have these

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conversations and you hear

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a sales question from person. Our buyers are getting younger. You know, I think

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they're more

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aware of those salesy type questions. So you really want to think, what's the

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motive behind a

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question that you're asking the sales process? Are you actually trying to help

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and add value to

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the prospect? Are you just looking to help yourself? You know, and you ask sort

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of

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one-sided questions where, you know, I just want to gather information with the

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prospect,

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but you're not actually providing a knee value to them back. Prospects feel

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that and they, you know,

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I don't think they appreciate it. And so you want to be mindful, hey, I want to

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make sure that my

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prospect feels when they leave this call that they are cared for, their

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concerns are, you know,

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addressed and really listened to and really understood. A really good way to do

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this is just

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lead with curiosity. Again, I've been at all bound for a while now and it's

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very easy. I think for

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any sales rep to kind of get in a routine, get into a little bit of a rut of

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you've gone through,

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you know, a hundred discovery calls and they start to start, they, you know,

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begin to feel the same

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a little bit. But with you lead with curiosity and you practice genuine

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interests at each interaction,

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that is going to completely change a dynamic of the sales process. That person

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is now going to feel

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like you actually care what they have to say. You're interested in their unique

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business problems

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and you're asking questions that, you know, you'd only be able to ask if you

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were being an attentive

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listener. Hey, you mentioned you have hundred partners. How many of those

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partners are really

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active? Tell me what that looks like today. I know there's a lot of back and

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forth on

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having scripted questions or guidelines. There's difference of opinions out

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there for sure. But

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I always found it's it works best if you follow your intuition and your

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curiosity. Kind of put

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yourself in the mindset of, Hey, if I'm talking to a friend I haven't spoken to

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in a while or

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meeting somebody new, I try to have a similar dialogue. And so you're not going

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to just

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in a normal, that full conversation with the person just ask them question

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after question after

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question, to gather information you want to build upon that conversation. So

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really being curious

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and trusting your intuition, I think as long as your framework is good, it's

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okay to go off script.

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How you lead a sales interaction should be a reflection of you. Now, when I

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first started,

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I didn't really figure out what my sales voice was. And I was kind of copying

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off of what I saw my

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other team members do. But you want to make sure that how you're worrying

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things, how you are

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answering questions is a reflection of how you actually talk, because it will

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come off more

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genuine. Again, your delivery tone is just as important as the words that you

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use. I think that

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kind of goes without saying, but you would be surprised at how much different

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of an outcome

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you'll get depending on the energy kind of in your voice and in your, your body

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language,

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even though we have very limited of that on zoom. And then of course, if

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somebody asks you a

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question, the natural reaction is just to answer, but I always like to slow

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that down. And if they

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say, Hey, what is your pricing? Follow that up with maybe what is your budget

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look like? And really

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get them to explain more rather than jumping into answering the question, why

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is that question

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important to you? Let's talk about that more. I'm interested. But lastly, I

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think everything

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comes down to the mindset of just being indifferent before I was in B2B sales,

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I did sell internet

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door to door that teaches you a lot about how to be indifferent on any outcome.

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You want to treat

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everybody with confidence and care regardless if you feel like they're a great

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fit or a poor fit.

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And everybody deserves that level of respect and care in the process. You know,

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don't be

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afraid to walk away from something. If it is a poor fit, I think when you're

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more confident in

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doing so, it actually gives a lot of build a lot of trust with you and your

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prospect. And of course,

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don't let the uncontrollables affect your attitude and your work ethic. You,

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you know, are in control

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of those things of how far you're going to put in for that day or that week.

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And what your attitude

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will look like. So if you just lost a deal or maybe you just got a really

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unfortunate email that

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your champion has left the company. And now you kind of have to start from

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scratch. Don't let that

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affect your next discovery call from somebody that hasn't even met you yet. And

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on the flip side of

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that, if you get really great news, hey, we're really excited. We're going to

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buy all down or

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whatever the case may be. You still being diligent following through your steps

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, followed through

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that repeatable process until it's side sealed and delivered. You know, you

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never want to over

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celebrate before anything is totally complete. And kind of just assume that the

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worst, you know,

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the worst case is a possible scenario. So if you go in assuming, hey, this

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person could not show up

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on my call, maybe they're going to tell me they don't have budget, whatever it

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is, be prepared for

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that, but have, you know, hoping for the best of just being prepared for

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whatever comes your way

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is a really great way to kind of, you want to stay even heal in sales. Everyone

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's heard it sales

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as a roller coaster, but the more indifferent you can be, you will start to see

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that consistency

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across quarter over quarter and year over year. And last thing I would say is

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never, ever depend

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on your prospect to follow through on what they're going to say. It is your job

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to hold them accountable.

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It's your job to remind them about meetings. It's your job to maintain making

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sure those

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meetings are attended and they're kind of doing their their side of the bargain

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as well. They're

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looking to you to guide them. And so, you know, don't take that lightly. It

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really is a privilege.

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And as we see more and more AI kind of seep into our day to day in sales, just

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remember that,

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you know, you as a human, you are unique and don't be afraid to, you know,

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express that in your

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sales process. Thanks so much for sharing those insights, Gina. It's so

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important as sales leaders

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to keep a pulse on what we're up against and what we need to stay ahead of to

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do our jobs well.

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Perhaps one of the biggest trends we're seeing is the advent of generative AI

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sales tools,

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taking the tech world by storm. This new technology has changed the game for

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sales overnight.

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And one of our very own senior account executives, Maddy Casalen, is ready to

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dive into some of the

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ways that he's been experimenting with chat GPT and share his best prompts to

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help sales pros

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stand out in inboxes and personalize their outreach to book more meetings than

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ever.

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Take it away, Maddy. Hello, everybody. My name is Maddy Casalen. I'm a senior

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account executive

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here at Qualified. Happy to have you in on the session today to learn about how

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we're going to

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start using AI as part of our sales processes in day to day to remove some

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mundane tasks and

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improve efficiencies. So let's dig in. So I get really excited about this stuff

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for a few reasons,

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mainly because I've seen some real productivity gains myself. And I want others

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to experience

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the same and the more productive we are, the more time we get to focus on other

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things. And

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hopefully it leads to more developed deals, more pipeline for us as salespeople

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. Now,

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there could be like 10 sessions on the topic of using AI in sales, but to make

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effective use of

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time here today, I'm going to quickly overview five easy ways to get started

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with some examples.

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And some of you might take this and really lean into it, which is exciting.

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Some of you might think

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this is all kind of crap, and that's okay. But I think I can speak for a lot of

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salespeople today

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that we need every angle to find and develop a pipeline right now. And I'm

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hopeful that there

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are some takeaways that teams can start using right away, just like we are here

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at Qualified.

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So some people might feel overwhelmed by what's possible with AI, but we're

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going to simplify

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today in five easy use cases to get yourself introduced to this wave of

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technology that's now

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available to us. So these ideas are account research, shaping better messaging,

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finding

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above the line priorities, critical thinking and then self-organization and

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improvement.

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So starting with account research, being relevant is the key to any effective

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outbound approach.

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And what used to take several manual hours or sometimes even days to research

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accounts to find

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relevant insights and nuggets that can really help us find ways to crack into

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accounts really

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now take seconds. So there's a number of free AI tools that you can use to find

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any info that

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will help you better understand the accounts and build relevancy. And my

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favorites are all free

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perplexity.ai, chat, GPT4, Google Bard, things like that. And examples can be

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broken down into three

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categories. In recency, you can find relevant account news in seconds. So

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something like find me

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recent news about Company X and their recent product launches and their latest

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earnings report,

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that's a prompt that I use pretty frequently. It's important to understand

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growth trends when

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you associate your value prop to your prospects. So an example growth prompt

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can be, hey, what

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factors have contributed to Company X's growth the last year? Or what is

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Company X's plan for

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sustaining this growth? And then lastly, another effective way to use prompts

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in these tools is

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to cobble together media assets and have them be analyzed. So I've asked

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something like perplexity.ai

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to source me if any executives at some of my target accounts have been featured

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in recent

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podcasts or articles or interviews. So again, what used to take long periods of

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time to scan

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articles and read through earnings reports, listen to all these podcasts, now

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take seconds.

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And there's obviously a few ways to use this information to begin or develop a

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deal.

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And that leads me to the second idea here, which is shaping better messaging.

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Once we have some

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relevance in our outreach, we can then build up a personalized message message

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that wins,

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and at least gets that open right up. So I use the word shape because in my

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personal opinion,

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it's not fully responsible to rely heavily on AI to fully write your emails. Do

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not copy and

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paste GPT emails into outreach or sales loft or any other tool. Not only is it

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obvious,

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but it doesn't have the same huge human judgment that we do. So there are a few

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ways we can prompt

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GPT or other tools to use certain inputs and then guide it with a few rules.

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And this example here,

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this is a real email that our team has used from a set of rules and guidelines

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that I had built

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to engineer a good quote outbound email. So you can read the text here for

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yourself,

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but I asked AI to weave together my prospects affection for baking cupcakes

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with our value

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prop. And if you instruct the AI to mesh together the two of those things

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creatively,

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the outputs are pretty amazing and take seconds to write.

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The next idea here is finding above the line priorities. This is a use case

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that's probably

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my favorite. We all know that money follows pain and pains are meant to be

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healed. And the

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medicine that heals these pains will receive funding from economic buyers. And

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as software sales

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people, we always look to anchor one initiatives from the C suite that they

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care about. And without

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hearing directly from our champions and buyers what those initiatives might be

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or what they are,

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what's top of mind, your chances of developing a real deal are very slim. And

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there's four major

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areas why software is purchased in my opinion. It's either increasing revenue,

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decreasing costs,

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mitigating risks, and improving productivity. And usually at the sea level,

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projects are set in

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place to achieve these four areas. And we know we can use AI to help identify

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sea level initiatives.

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Maybe they come from remarks, from executives publicly or from interviews or

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from earnings

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reports or 10Ks. And we can then consolidate this information to find new

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opportunities,

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but also develop and accelerate existing big deals in our pipeline by multi-

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threading,

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by looping in additional stakeholders that you think your solution can impact

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based on what you

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find. Another one of my favorite use cases here for AI is using it for critical

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thinking. I use

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GPT as somewhat of a second brain for lots of my behind the scenes work. Two

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brains are better

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than one, and the speed and intuition of AI is a little bit too valuable to

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ignore to help and find

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develop these deals. So critical thinking examples that I have personally used

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include instructing AI

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to act as a specific persona. So let's say you go out and you're selling to and

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you target

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B2B sales leaders, you can prompt it, "Hey act as a B2B sales leader." You can

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also prompt it to

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say, "Hey act as a rev-op leader or a COO or a corporate lawyer if you're

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trying to come through

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some red lines and provide some summaries to your legal team on some feedback

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that you've already

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gotten." So you can also share some of the challenges that are threading your

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team's success. One of

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the great use cases here is, if I was a sales leader and I'm managing a team,

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is I can say,

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"Hey, I manage a number of reps. I'm noticing this constant trend that's kind

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of holding our team

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back, such as deals stalling at a particular stage. We're losing deals to a

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certain competitor."

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And then you can prompt AI to see how they would address that challenge if you

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say,

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"Hey act as a B2B sales leader." And then you can also use AI to inspect your

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own sales hygiene

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and suggest where you might be missing some key areas to accelerate and win

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your deals

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by asking AI where tendencies might be from your buyer. So these are some

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examples of critical

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thinking. And then the last use case that, again, I use pretty commonly in my

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day-to-day is how I

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think about progressing my career and improving my own skills. So think about

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AI as serving as your

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secondary career coach. How do you track towards that promotion that you covet?

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What sets of traits

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should you look for in a mentor? What roadblocks inhibit you from achieving

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your goals? You can also

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use it for simple task management, skill improvement, and plan building. For

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instance, I use it to

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hone my negotiation skills by instructing AI to act as a CFO sometimes and play

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devil's advocate on

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my value proposition or my business pitch. Or I ask AI what a typical leader in

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demand gen

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struggles with so I can approach that conversation ahead of time with that

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meeting with the VP of

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demand gen potentially with more comprehension. So the use cases here are

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endless, but this has

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definitely become part of my daily routine where I'm using this stuff to up

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skill myself and learn

22:07

a little bit new things every day. So, like I said, some of this stuff can be

22:12

overwhelming,

22:13

but what is absolutely guaranteed is that this wave of AI is crashing onto us

22:17

fast.

22:18

And soon we're all going to be expected to do these things as salespeople. So

22:22

it's really best

22:22

to familiarize yourself with these new tools, find actual valuable use cases,

22:27

and start implementing

22:28

them. My goal is to help other sellers make sense of all this and hope this has

22:31

been helpful here today.

22:32

Wow. Thanks, Maddy. AI is everywhere right now, and it's hard to know where to

22:38

start,

22:39

so it's good to keep those prompts in our back pocket. In the Docs tab of our

22:44

event, please make

22:45

sure you head over to subscribe to Maddy's sub stack. He's sharing tips on

22:49

integrating AI into

22:51

day-to-day activities. Speaking of AI, the folks over at Lavender are helping

22:57

thousands of

22:58

SDRs, AEs, and sales managers craft the best possible emails with real-time

23:03

assistance powered

23:04

by AI. We've got their very own Mike Wanda ready to share his best practices

23:09

for writing emails

23:11

that grab you by his attention, engage them, and keep you top of mind. Let's

23:16

get over to Mike's

23:17

10-minute sales school and see how the pros at Lavender help sales teams craft

23:22

better emails

23:23

and get better replies. Hey, everybody. I'm Mike here from Lavender. I'm going

23:28

to give you a nice

23:29

little rundown on 10-minute sales school, but I want to give a shout out to the

23:33

qualified team.

23:34

I'll put together a great event. I'm glad thanks for having me. And yeah,

23:38

hopefully you guys can

23:39

find some tactical advice out of 10-minute sales school. But nonetheless, let's

23:44

do it.

23:44

All right. So for today, I want to start us off with what's the state of the

23:50

buyer's inbox?

23:51

It's something that not a lot of us actually have observation and do, right?

23:56

How many of your

23:56

bosses have taken a screenshot of what their inbox looks like and then sent

24:01

that to your sellers

24:03

inside of Slack? Probably not a lot, right? And so here's what that kind of

24:09

looks like,

24:10

just how low the bar actually is and how much of it's actually filled with spam

24:18

So just to kind of get straight into it, this is what a buyer's inbox looks

24:24

like.

24:24

All right. It's cluttered. It's got a lot of things that are going on into it.

24:30

But how many of

24:31

these do you think are actual cold emails? Now, if you were able to say all of

24:39

these within four

24:41

to five seconds, you're the average buyer. How many of your sales teams know

24:46

that?

24:47

How many of your sales teams know that the average buyer only spends zero to

24:53

three seconds

24:54

deleting or deciding if they're going to open an email? That's it. That's all

25:00

the time that they

25:00

are spending with your email before they ever open it. Zero to three seconds.

25:07

And so

25:08

things that are wrong with this, let's look at it. For instance, it's all sales

25:14

language,

25:15

AI writing assistants, right? Hello, Jen. I hope this email finds you well.

25:20

Tell me when's

25:22

the last time an internal person sent you an email and said, I hope this finds

25:25

you well.

25:27

Probably never, right? And they surely don't put their name, which is the next

25:33

thing, punctuation

25:34

or tokens inside the subject line. All of these things scream sales email,

25:41

scream it.

25:41

And then once you get to the preview text, I would say the best one here might

25:45

be the RE,

25:46

right? The REED or the reply. And then once you're like, okay, well, let's see

25:52

if this is

25:52

important. You go into it. It's like, hi, I emailed you about our users slash

25:56

customers list.

25:57

Immediately, you know it's a sales email. If you take a look at this and then

26:02

you take a look at

26:03

your inbox, this is probably what all of your sales emails look like. This is

26:08

how low the bar

26:09

actually is. And so what can we do about this as a sales community and how can

26:15

we actually raise

26:16

the bar? Because this is not where it should be. Well, let's look at fixing it.

26:23

When you look at it,

26:23

you've got to use internal language. So what is internal language, right?

26:28

Everybody always talks

26:29

about it. Go take a look at LinkedIn and people probably all post about it. But

26:34

hardly do you find

26:35

examples. Internal language is the best way to put camouflage so that you can't

26:42

tell it is a

26:43

sales email just by simply taking a glance. It's the thing that makes you go to

26:48

the next part of the

26:50

email, which is your preview text. That is what internal language subject line

26:55

is going to allow

26:56

you to do things like framework issues, reply rate problems, all those

27:01

different things, right?

27:03

Take the number one problem you solve for, try to put issues or problems after

27:09

that, right? Ask

27:10

yourself, what would you send to your boss? If you had an issue with your

27:14

current email templates,

27:16

would you send, you know, Mike, if we fix this, we can 2x our reply rates. You

27:22

probably wouldn't,

27:23

right? So use that internal language and then drop all the punctuation and

27:28

those name tokens.

27:30

Anytime a buyer sees a purple heart or a wizard emoji or a question mark or an

27:37

exclamation point,

27:39

it all just triggers what we call the mental spam filter. And things that

27:45

trigger the

27:45

mental spam filter are the same things that are going to get your email deleted

27:49

before it ever

27:50

even gets the chance to be opened in red. So what can you do when it comes to

27:55

preview text?

27:57

Well, lead with observations. Take a look at every single one of these emails.

28:03

Not a single one of

28:04

them say, "Hi, Jen." Or, "Hey, Jen." Or, "Jen." "I saw." They all say, "I hope

28:14

our community, right? I,

28:16

I, I, everything is geared towards, I hope this finds you well. I emailed you

28:22

about this. I wanted

28:23

to check in about that." But none of them say an observation. None of them lead

28:28

off with our buyer,

28:29

the person who we're asking for time. And so that is how you can fix your

28:34

subject line

28:35

and your preview text. But what happens after they open your email? Well, this

28:41

is what success

28:43

looks like when it comes to its sales world right now. It's pretty bad. Source,

28:48

G-mass,

28:49

Cognizant, and Gartner. The average code email reply rate is 1 to 5%. 1 to 5.

28:58

That's how low the

29:00

bars. 2% when it comes to code calling connection rates. And 72% of buyers who

29:07

say they prefer a

29:08

rep-free experience. Has the sales world? That's a number we need to see go

29:15

down.

29:17

The last thing we want our buyers feeling like when they hop onto the call with

29:21

a sales person,

29:22

they're not going to leave with anything new that they've learned. This is a

29:26

number that we

29:27

should take seriously. We should leave written down and send back to our teams

29:31

at the end of this

29:32

to say we got to fix this. We want to be seen as a brand that people want to

29:39

interact with somebody.

29:42

Now, how can you fix it? Right? What can we do specifically when we focus on

29:47

emails?

29:48

How are we going to craft emails that get responses? Everybody likes to say,

29:53

"The golden phrase, I need to break through the noise." Or, "How do I break

29:58

through the noise?"

29:59

Well, it is not by adding more noise. Everybody always says, "I like to use

30:05

this analogy

30:06

that when somebody comes in to a call with me and they talk to me and they say,

30:10

"Mike,

30:10

I need to reduce or break through the noise. I need to go through the noise."

30:15

What I say is, "Okay, what are you doing about it?" And oftentimes the answer I

30:18

get is,

30:19

"Well, I need AI to help me automate more messaging." And I'm like, "All right,

30:23

so it sounds like

30:23

we're trying to turn up the volume. I don't know if you guys have ever been to

30:27

a room that's quiet

30:28

with a bunch of people. And then suddenly people start to talk and then slowly

30:32

but surely one

30:33

person starts talking louder than the other. And you see where I'm going with

30:37

this. The volume

30:38

gets louder and louder in the room. And so the best way to break through the

30:42

noise right now

30:43

is right in front of your face. It's by writing your own emails, not having an

30:47

AI do it,

30:48

reducing the volume so that you can hear clearly through everything that's

30:53

going on,

30:54

personalizing for your prospect and research and lead with relevancy. So what

31:04

does that look like?

31:06

Because it takes a long time, right? Well, this is something that you guys

31:11

probably get.

31:11

And I would ask yourself, if this is an email that your sales team is sending,

31:16

is that the answer? Would you reply to this? Probably not. So we don't want to

31:23

set that bar there,

31:24

right? We want to set this bar in a better way. So let's go through and break

31:29

down why this email

31:30

probably isn't going to get replied to. Well, first we've got a really long

31:34

subject line.

31:35

Now it's personalized because this person was a two time NCAA swimming national

31:41

champion,

31:42

which is awesome. But that's not a reason why they're going to reply, right?

31:48

And so

31:49

this is leading with personalization, but not so much relevancy. And then the

31:55

second thing is

31:56

it's so much personalization, but it's not focused on the actual relevancy,

32:02

right? You have to be

32:04

relevant when you talk about your emails. One of the golden rules that I have

32:10

is if I can't

32:11

talk about the current problem that you're having today, if I don't see an

32:15

actual problem,

32:16

but there's a bunch of personalization stuff that I can find on you, I'm not

32:20

going to write you an

32:21

email. Because just because I did my research and I know that you were an

32:25

athlete and you were a

32:26

great swimmer, doesn't mean that you actually have any problems in your current

32:30

business.

32:30

And that's why you should take a call with me. Personalization is awesome, but

32:35

it's best used

32:35

in a PS. Through our data, what we found is using personalized PSs rather than

32:41

adding a

32:42

personalization touch for your first sentence of your email increased your

32:46

reply rates by 26%

32:48

on average. And then lastly, this is a very long email. It's going to take a

32:53

long time to read.

32:54

It's probably 200 plus words, and it's really cluttered. This is how we fixed

32:59

it.

33:00

It took us less than two minutes, less than two minutes to rewrite that entire

33:05

email,

33:05

focus on all of the relevant parts, add in some really cool personalization

33:10

throughout the way,

33:11

shorten the subject line down to two to three words to sound more integral,

33:15

right? And it focuses

33:19

much less on that personalization aspect and much more on the relevance aspect.

33:25

So if you take a

33:25

look at these emails side by side, one of them scored a 65 and the other one

33:29

scored a nine.

33:30

Now, you'll notice same thing. We took the same content, the same words, and we

33:39

just simply told

33:39

a different story in a much shorter, more concise way focused entirely on our

33:45

prospect.

33:45

But if that's not enough, let's go into another email. This one specifically

33:51

wrote by an AI,

33:53

whoever, the person who submitted this email to me, they said, well, I like to

33:58

use Shashi

33:58

Petit to write all my emails. And I was like, ooh, all right, sounds good.

34:03

Hello, the efficiencies.

34:04

But there's one thing that's been changing how I'm going to give you guys some

34:08

spam filter updates

34:10

here. Recently, what's happened is Google and Microsoft have to change their

34:14

spam filters

34:15

to add in an AI detection model. So if you're using AI to write emails for you,

34:21

you might be triggering some spam filters. And if you send any emails that are

34:26

over 50,

34:27

over 50 net new code emails a day for that individual user's account, the odds

34:33

you go to spam

34:34

are dramatically increased for every email after 50. So be careful when we talk

34:38

about some volume

34:39

plays. It's probably why some of you might have seen a decrease and your

34:44

deliverability and your

34:45

ops created starting back in the middle of February. But for this example, you

34:50

can see a lot more

34:51

black kind of like highlight, right? It's because there was a lot of talking

34:55

all about me. It was

34:57

all about me in this email, right? It was clearly AI written. I mean, outside

35:02

of us telling them

35:03

telling us that it was wrote by an AI, you can kind of tell that it was, right?

35:06

Things like,

35:07

I'm not going to pull the wool over your eyes or front and center. This is a

35:11

sales email, right?

35:13

Things that are just going to get deleted right away. Some of you might even

35:15

have laughed when you

35:16

read it. But there's one other thing that this does that a lot of sellers do.

35:21

It is they use

35:22

length and bullet points. And what I mean by that is rather than talking about

35:27

one problem at a time,

35:29

they put in all the four things that make their company special. And the issue

35:34

with that

35:35

is you lose your prospect. And so what you need to do is just simply write the

35:41

email yourself,

35:43

talk all about your prospect rather than yourself and make it skimmable. Just

35:48

focus on one thing.

35:50

That's all you have to do. Because when you try to focus on more than one thing

35:54

what ends up happening is you lose content for your follow-ups. And if you ask

36:00

your sellers,

36:01

what is the part of the process that they struggle with the most when it comes

36:04

to code outreach,

36:05

they're probably going to tell you follow-up content. Now, all my marketers

36:09

that are out there,

36:10

they're probably like, "How you struggle with follow-up content? Push you

36:14

everything, right?

36:14

We've got a bunch of content on the website." Well, for the salespeople, you

36:19

just got to start

36:19

talking about one thing at a time. Because if you list four bullet points of

36:23

all the things that

36:24

you do that's great in your first email, that's four less things that you can

36:28

talk about in your

36:29

follow-up. So what's the winner in this one? You probably could guess. It's the

36:35

shorter, all about

36:37

your prospect, rather than about yourself, and much more skimmable email. That

36:41

's a 92, rather than a

36:43

78. So overall, new definition of success. I need you guys to get away from

36:49

that one to 5%

36:50

of the average code email or pli rate and get to where the lavender percent is,

36:55

which is 20 and a

36:56

half percent. Across our customer base, that's the average code email reply

37:01

rate. And I can tell

37:02

you right now, lavender is not a silver bullet. It's not the answer, right? But

37:07

what it is,

37:08

is it's your coach and your assistant. And that's what you actually, you need

37:12

to be able to write

37:13

those emails yourself and break through the noise by writing for your prospect,

37:18

rather than for

37:19

what's most effective for you. So how can you get there? How can you get to

37:24

that 20 and a half percent?

37:27

Take these five things and apply them today. Write your own emails. I know, I

37:32

know.

37:32

Painful topic, painful topic. It's all right, we're going to be okay. Talk

37:37

about your prospects

37:38

problems. Hold yours to yourself. Or if you want to talk about your problems,

37:42

you can email them

37:42

to me. All right, I'll listen all day long. But hey, talk about your prospects

37:47

problems. Try not to

37:48

talk about yourself. I like to give myself one sentence of real estate in my

37:52

emails to be able

37:53

to talk about what lavender does and how I can help. But everything else, 100

37:58

percent geared

37:58

towards my prospect. Also, optimize for the phone. 80 percent of buyers and

38:04

prospects open up emails

38:06

on their phone first. 80 percent. All the leaders listening in on this, ask

38:12

yourself,

38:12

where do you typically open up your emails? Most of you are probably going to

38:17

say your phone.

38:18

Some of you might even say your Apple Watch. So that's where your sellers

38:23

prospects are doing

38:24

the exact same thing. Communicate that with your teams and make sure they're

38:28

optimizing for the

38:28

phone. The last two things I want to say is use internal language. Remember we

38:33

talked about that

38:34

for our subject lines? Go through use two to three word subject lines and have

38:38

this internal

38:39

camouflage aspect to it so that you're not triggering the mental spam filter.

38:43

And then last but not

38:45

least, highlight that one problem at a time. We talked about the effects that

38:49

it has when you don't.

38:50

But seriously, make sure you give yourself some content for the follow ups and

38:56

you'll start to see

38:57

better email conversions today. That was awesome Mike. Now you've done all that

39:04

hard work to personalize

39:05

your outreach, send the killer email and you booked a demo. This is where the

39:10

rubber meets the road.

39:12

Let's talk to Eric Portugal Welsh, director of RevOps over at demo stack and

39:17

learn how to craft

39:18

an unforgettable demo. Hi everyone. My name is Eric Portugal Welsh. I'm the

39:23

director of revenue

39:24

operations at a company called demo stack. We focus on building a platform to

39:32

allow you to

39:33

demo your product in the best light, putting your best foot forward. So today I

39:37

'd like to just run

39:39

through what building an unforgettable demo looked like and how that can impact

39:45

your sales team,

39:47

your CS team and really kind of shine a light on demo analytics, something that

39:53

we haven't

39:53

insight into in the revenue operations space before. And something I think is

40:00

really going to be

40:01

really impactful for teams moving forward. So what is demo analytic and what it

40:08

was important?

40:09

Well, we've been living in a space where call intelligence has moved the needle

40:17

a lot for

40:18

sales teams and for customer success teams. And what have they done? They've

40:24

tried to replicate

40:25

what good looks like from a sales rep. And we've done that through call

40:31

coaching, how much time

40:34

they spend talking, all these like slew of analytics that the gongs, the chor

40:39

uses of the world have

40:40

brought to the forefront of our our minds. But we haven't really done the same

40:45

thing with demos.

40:47

What does a good demo look like? How many do you have to give in order to make

40:50

to get your

40:52

point across? What specific pieces of your product do you have to show in order

40:59

to engage people

41:01

and make them want your product? And then on top of that, how many, like how

41:10

often do people

41:12

receiving demos actually want to visit your environment before buying decisions

41:16

made?

41:17

So something that we've done at demo stack here after about two years of

41:22

building a platform where

41:24

you can essentially clone the front end of your product, start recording demos,

41:30

giving them

41:31

presenting them to prospects. We've we've sifted through a bunch of data and

41:36

started to put together

41:37

a big robust analytics package. It allows you to, as a customer, to see how

41:45

many demos are needed

41:46

to be given. The median duration of those demos, the different screens that

41:52

need to be shown.

41:54

And then you can basically take what good looks like from your top performing

41:59

reps and try to

42:00

replicate that across your team. I'll dive into that more in just a second. But

42:05

you know, to us, it seems to be really important that people are able to

42:11

create very specific talk tracks. And that's something that we're trying to

42:19

highlight and bring

42:20

to the forefront. So what does that look like when we're talking about what

42:26

replicating what a

42:28

top rep is able to do? Well, we can we can start to generate winning demo play

42:35

books. So, you know,

42:37

for looking at this slide, for instance, our number one rep with five deals,

42:42

one is spending

42:43

most of their time looking at analytics, editing and integration. So maybe

42:47

those are the three places

42:49

that every demo needs to hit on first in order to, you know, get the engagement

42:55

, the prospect

42:55

engagement and start to start to win those deals. So like the gongs of the

43:00

world keep saying,

43:01

replicate your A players. That's what we're looking to, you know, give you

43:06

insight into doing.

43:08

And that's at something that we've signed to be really important when focusing

43:14

on the actual demo.

43:17

In addition to this, when rolling out new product features, adoption is always

43:26

something that's

43:27

kind of forefront of product marketer minds, right? So we want to know, let's

43:32

say custom CSS in this

43:34

example is a new product feature that we're trying to push the AEs to demo. We

43:39

can really see who's

43:41

adopting that in the demo process and if it's effective or not. Maybe custom

43:46

CSS was this big

43:47

brainchild of the product team and people don't actually want to look at it. We

43:51

're spending less

43:52

time talking about it, but still winning a lot of deals. Maybe that's something

43:55

we want to focus

43:56

less on and then focus more on building a more robust editing process here. So

44:03

moving on, the

44:04

other pieces is how do demo analytics actually affect the sales cycle? So, you

44:13

know, every, I think

44:14

most people are inside of Salesforce or HubSpot in the revenue operations world

44:20

and really focus

44:20

on conversion rates, win rates. What duration, how long, how many demos are

44:27

people given at each stage

44:29

of your sales pipeline? And then what is the, how does the correlation of your

44:36

demo to win rate

44:39

affect where you're focusing time at S1? And how is that going to affect and be

44:45

impactful for

44:45

your sales leadership? And then, and this to me is something that's like, it's

44:51

really exciting.

44:53

So how long, like when you're thinking about resource planning and planning for

45:00

the future,

45:01

how much time does it take in the demo in order to win a deal? So how much

45:07

effort am I putting in

45:08

as a rep? How much time is the team putting in? And how do we scale that across

45:13

the, across the

45:14

organization? Buyer engagement. Another thing that's really interesting when

45:21

you're, you're talking

45:23

about giving a demo and providing a prospect with an environment where they can

45:28

play around with

45:30

your product in like a safe, guide-railed space. And then you're able to meet

45:37

your prospect where

45:41

they are and see real-time insights of what they're clicking around and what

45:46

they're looking at.

45:47

If they're sharing that demo environment with somebody else, you're able to

45:51

kind of meet them

45:52

where they are, time to your follow-up perfectly. So for example, here we have

45:57

the Slack integration

45:58

that's pinging us every time somebody's visiting a specific part of our demo

46:05

environment.

46:06

Number of steps they can include and how long they've spent there. So in this

46:10

case, you know,

46:11

you could reach out to Mark Robles, Robles, terrible pronunciation. And follow-

46:19

up with them

46:20

about the specific tour training for redesign page that they're looking at, so

46:23

if there's

46:24

anything else that they'd like to see. And it really helps you get a better

46:28

insight into

46:29

what your prospects are actually interested in. So maybe coming into the next

46:35

meeting,

46:35

you can tailor that demo more towards the pages that you've seen them actually

46:41

focusing on.

46:42

So that's it. Just a short and sweet talk about what, you know, the current

46:50

state of the demo

46:51

environment and what demo analytics mean and how they could potentially help

46:55

you moving forward.

46:56

Thanks so much for sharing those insights into how to use analytics to

47:00

strengthen your demo

47:01

production Eric. Of course, all these great learnings mean nothing if the team

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is disengaged

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and struggling with morale. We'll round out our pipeline power hour with Sam

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Nelson,

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founder of stlleed.com, with a masterclass in motivating your team when facing

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economic downturns.

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Let's hear it, Sam. Okay, so my name is Sam Nelson. I'm the founder of stlleed.

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com. It's a big

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community of stlleed. And I'm going to be talking today about motivating your

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sales team through

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tough times. So motivating your team through tough times is a hot topic. So it

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's something that

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pretty much everyone is dealing with right now. Some people more than others,

47:47

but even in the best

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case, unless you're like an AI company that's hit the right way for the right

47:53

time, it maybe is a

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little bit different than 2021. And anytime things go, I feel like they're

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going backwards instead of

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forwards, it can be a little bit of a hit on morale. And as a sales leader, you

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need to make sure that

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you have a culture of winning and a culture, an exciting happy culture. And it

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can be a little

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awkward when times are tough. And you also want to do this without lowering

48:17

your standards. So

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motivating your sales team through tough times is the big question. And there

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are a lot of different

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answers and a lot of different strategies for doing that. What I want to focus

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on today, I want

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to add a couple of constraints to this topic. And that is by changing only

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things that I can control,

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assuming I'm a manager of individual contributors. Okay, so if I'm a manager of

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individual contributors,

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and without spending any additional money. And then lastly, something that's

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pretty easy to

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implement. So something that's totally within your purview. And that easy

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strategy is increasing

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the surface area of wins. By magnifying wins, you can increase the culture of

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winning, you can

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make, you can have a culture of winning, you can make things more exciting, and

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you can increase

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morale without having to lower your standards or make any big changes. So this

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is something

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that's very simple that basically any manager can do. And there are three

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things we'll talk about.

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So we'll talk about celebrating small wins. We'll talk about where you can

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easily involve

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upper management. And then lastly, just keeping things fun. So number one,

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celebrating small

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wins. So you want to find the lowest, maybe like the smallest area of

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achievement that you can

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comfortably celebrate. So may have a community of SDR leaders, a very common

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one for SDR leaders

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is meeting set. Okay, this is a very small win. These are happening all the

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time.

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The key is to make these visible everywhere you possibly can. So in the Slack

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channels,

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messages from the manager, bringing them up in standing meetings, bringing them

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up before the

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training, having leaderboards, maybe there's an email that goes out every day.

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It is very hard to

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over celebrate wins on an SDR team. And so this extremely motivating, it costs

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no money. It's

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very time efficient to do. When someone is successful in some way, celebrate it

50:32

everywhere. It's

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exciting for the person who's winning, it's motivating to that person. And it

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also is reinforcing to

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other people that it's easy to win. All right. Or that winning is very possible

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Next is involving upper management. So this one is, there are some very simple,

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easy ways to do this

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that take very little effort from the upper management. So for example, having

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them common in the

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Slack channel where we're celebrating wins or having them show up to one of

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your meeting where

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you are recognized, one of your meetings where you are recognizing people who

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have been successful.

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Right. It's good to have some time every week, sometimes right before a

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training,

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or right before some kind of weekly meeting where you kind of recognize people

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that have been

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outstanding in different ways. Involving upper management in some of those ways

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can be

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extremely motivating. And a lot of times managers can forget just how

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motivating this can be

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to individual contributors and also how willing upper management is to do this.

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So very easy,

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takes no money or time and is very effective. And lastly, keep things exciting.

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So you want to

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do things to keep things fun. Okay. There are a lot of fun and memorable things

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that you can do

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that cost no money and make the job more fun. One that I talk about is like,

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my blue hair was actually initially just kind of like a fun spiff. It was when

52:10

new SDRs came in,

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if they beat the record for their first month, I said I'd dye my hair blue. And

52:15

that's so out of

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character for me that it was really hilarious and really fun. Weirdly, it

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became my brand. And now

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I've been stuck with it forever and probably will be forever. But man, it was

52:29

like a fun incentive.

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So anything self-deprecating, anything fun or out of the ordinary or memorable

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is very

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valuable and can stack on top of any other incentives that you have. So a few

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things you can do to

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magnify the ones on your team. Thanks, Sam. And thanks so much to all of our

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speakers today.

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I hope you walk away with some notes on how to help your team be as successful

52:54

as possible,

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no matter the market we're facing.

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